Talk:List of manuscript keys

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Latest comment: 15 April 2023 by Christof Rolker in topic München vs. Munich

Vatikan

FIXEDÜblicherweise wird der Vatikanstaat auf italienisch benamst, bei der alphabetischen Ordnung dann aber doch wieder unter V eingeordnet. Sonderfälle über Sonderfälle... --Christof Rolker (talk) 17:47, 4 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

Prima, das laesst sich aber sehr leicht im Sortkey beruecksichtigen. Clemens Radl (talk) 09:18, 9 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

El Escorial

FIXEDDie Escorial-Signaturen beginnen mit einem Buchstaben, das L ist also keine römische 50, sondern ein L, und die nächste Signaturengruppe beginnt mit M, zum Beispiel http://www.leges.uni-koeln.de/en/mss/codices/el-escorial-rb-m-iii-2/ --Christof Rolker (talk) 17:50, 4 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

OK. Danke, das werde ich in die Sonderregeln uebernehmen. Clemens Radl (talk) 09:19, 9 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

Musaeum Plantin-Moretus

FIXEDDer bestand ist ziemlich klein (600 Hss) und ich kenne lauter "M"-Signaturen, aber keine anderen. Wahrscheinlich daher "Museum", "Moretus" oder vielleicht "Manuscriptum", aber sicher nicht "mille". :-) --Christof Rolker (talk) 17:55, 4 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

OK. Danke, das werde ich in die Sonderregeln uebernehmen. Clemens Radl (talk) 09:19, 9 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

Archivio Capitolare di S. Ambrogio

FIXEDDas "di" in "Archivio Capitolare di S. Ambrogio" wurde auch als Zahl gelesen. --Christof Rolker (talk) 17:59, 4 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

Hoppala, das war mir noch gar nicht aufgefallen. Wird in die Regeln uebernommen. Danke. Clemens Radl (talk) 09:19, 9 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

Zürich und Würzburg

FIXEDDas Würzbruger M und das Zürcher C sind auch keine Zahlen - macht aber nichts, die Hss werden ja korrekt sortiert --Christof Rolker (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

Danke. Ich werde es wohl trotzdem als Sonderregel ausklammern. Clemens Radl (talk) 09:20, 9 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

's-Gravenhage

Just for the sake of completeness - "Munich" should be "München" and "Luxemburg" should be "Lucembourg", but that is not a problem for the sort order. What about s'Gravenhagen (under "S"?) and place names like "Sankt Gallen" and "Saint Petersburg"? There are bibliographical manuals dealing with this issue, but I don't know them by heart. Christof Rolker (talk) 09:26, 13 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

I'll include the case for 's-Gravenhage into the program for the bot so that it will be sorted under 'G'. I'll have to look up how to deal with 'Sankt'/'Saint'/'St(.)'. By the way, if we strictly go for the official local name then Saint Petersburg should be 'Санкт-Петербург' or rather the transliterated form 'Sankt-Peterburg', which, I believe, looks equally strange for German and English/American eyes. --Clemens Radl (talk) 16:29, 7 September 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]
True, but let's not spend much time on these issues. "Saint Petersburg" should do. Christof Rolker (talk) 17:06, 7 September 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

Testing

The various lists found here are a good way to see whether the sort key works well: https://beta.mgh.de/databases/clavis/wiki/index.php/Some_Useful_Categories Christof Rolker (talk) 09:28, 13 August 2022 (CEST)Reply[reply]

Admont

THere are two sort key for Admont Mss, with and without "Cod.". Is "Cod." part of the signature or not? Page name and sort key should match. --Christof Rolker (talk) 13:27, 15 April 2023 (CEST)Reply[reply]

München vs. Munich

I have changed the sort key for all Munich MSS to "München, ..." because we use local languages for all archive/library locations, and sort key should match page names as closely as possible. --Christof Rolker (talk) 13:28, 15 April 2023 (CEST)Reply[reply]